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Michael Hein's avatar

Chris,

I'm reading this, of course, with curiosity, anticipation, fear, hope... as I imagine what may transpire over the next few years. And I noticed similarities in the patient-physician relationship, particularly in primary care, as I reflect on the many relationships I participated in over those years. Similar dynamics, similar concerns related to virtual care. Thank you for sharing.

Rob Dawson's avatar

Chris,

I’m reading this as someone who’s never experienced doctoral supervision and likely never will. I’m what academics might call an ‘independent scholar’ but what I’d call someone doing systematic cultural work accountable to community rather than institution.

So when you write about ‘passing through the gate,’ I’m analysing gatekeeping from the position of someone that gate was designed to keep out.

You capture something real about the interpersonal complexity of these relationships - the dependence/independence, the professional intimacy, the mutual vulnerability.

I recognise these dynamics from twenty years managing hospitality teams, navigating power relationships where authority and care intertwine, where people must work together productively without necessarily liking each other.

But here’s what I see from outside: you present these paradoxes as universal features of knowledge development when they’re actually specific to gatekeeping institutions. What you call ‘becoming a disciple of the discipline’ before finding your voice - that’s not how informal researchers work. We develop voice through community accountability, not institutional submission. We become ‘ripe’ or ‘ready’ through material necessity and political urgency, not through supervised dependency.

The ‘chain of relationships’ you describe - supervisor was supervised, who was supervised - that chain deliberately excludes people like me. Not because we lack intellectual capacity or cultural curiosity, but because we can’t afford years of dependent relationships with middle-class gatekeepers who determine when we’re ‘ready.’

The paradoxes you identify aren’t philosophical - they’re material. They describe how institutions maintain control over knowledge production whilst claiming to democratise it.

When you ask ‘Does it go without saying that fruitful supervision requires both parties finding the research compelling?’ - that question reveals everything.

For informal researchers, the work being compelling isn’t leisure preference, it’s survival necessity. I research class and institutional gatekeeping because these systems are crushing my community, not because I find them intellectually stimulating.

The middle-class luxury of pursuing knowledge for its own fascination - that’s exactly the privilege this supervision model requires and reproduces.

I appreciate your attention to relational complexity because these dynamics are real. But your analysis needs class infrastructure. The contradictions you describe aren’t universal; they’re produced by specific institutional arrangements that privilege some students whilst systematically eliminating others.

What would knowledge production look like if we designed it around community accountability rather than supervisory chains? What analytical possibilities emerge when ‘readiness’ means political urgency rather than institutional patience? What happens when ‘finding your voice’ doesn’t require prior submission to disciplines that were never designed for voices like mine?

Rob​​​​​​​

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